Classic rock bottom control job slapped in by a furnace jockeys.
Would have me wonder what the kitchen looks like. Maybe all the money they saved on mech side was put into the kitchen lol.
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- Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:22 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Restaurant, I can't even eat out in peace
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3852
- Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:20 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Maintenace Program, or lack of
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1476
Re: Maintenace Program, or lack of
Yea. Something tells me the installing contractor asked a few questions and the control outfit said...That's what on our drawings and what we supplied. Use it.
- Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:17 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Replacement AHU door handles
- Replies: 0
- Views: 97
Replacement AHU door handles
Working on a site that many of the door handles on the AHUs are broken. Broken as in the unit at some point saw enough pressure, it simply destroys the door latches. This apparently happens often enough that there are buckets of new handles laying around. This unit must be a frequent flyer for broke...
- Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:08 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Maintenace Program, or lack of
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1476
Re: Maintenace Program, or lack of
Going through my camera roll, more pics got squirreled away in my personal WOS archive. Few more to share here. Wire nut sales wet dream. This is prior factory control removal. Got'r'done I guess. Thanks for the labels on the RIBs. Cut above! Wire nut sales wet dream.jpg VFD Replacements VFD Replace...
- Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:07 pm
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Maintenace Program, or lack of
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1476
Maintenace Program, or lack of
Working on a new site the last few weeks and its gained one of the worst maintained sites I have ever had to deal with. This is a point for point BMS replacement scope. Last two days I had a small VAV system to fire up. 6 VAVs with HW and a two heat/cool VAV RTU. Figure I would start with the VAVs t...
- Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:10 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
- Replies: 12
- Views: 45352
- Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:38 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
- Replies: 12
- Views: 45352
Re: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
Feel your pain. It would be an extreme case to deal with them on any project at this point. I'll have a mile of cable pulled and sort out insane modbus nonsense before I will use their stuff. Even after bid day, its elimination at all cost. Facking miserable things have wasted countless hours of my ...
- Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:16 pm
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
- Replies: 12
- Views: 45352
Re: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
At this point, seems it would have been easier to just replace the irrigation system with BMS controllers.
This just reinforces my black list of any fieldserver product.
Is the customer paying you T&M to follow this rabbit hole to the other side of the planet?
This just reinforces my black list of any fieldserver product.
Is the customer paying you T&M to follow this rabbit hole to the other side of the planet?
- Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:45 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: Fleebay Modbus power meters
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24262
Re: Fleebay Modbus power meters
Had a short power loss yesterday and some of the PZEM-016 meters I have went out for an extended lunch. Have ~20 of them now. 3-4 stopped responding. 24hrs later, most of those came back on their own. Seen this before when power down installing additional units. Something is a bit flaky with them re...
- Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: Fleebay Modbus power meters
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24262
Re: Fleebay Modbus power meters
Niagara device setup under the modbus driver. Note the byte order and use preset multiple register settings between them. Some do not support the modbus function codes for multi register read/write. The PZEM-016 only supports 9600-8-1-n. PAC5000 PAC5000 Device Setup.png EM115-MOD EM115-MOD Device Se...
- Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:36 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: Fleebay Modbus power meters
- Replies: 2
- Views: 24262
Fleebay Modbus power meters
Putting up a placeholder for a review of these dirty cheap power meters. To be clear, doubt any of these are UL listed and I wouldn't think about using them on a commercial site. These are for my personal use and one of my requirements was a protocol I can pull into my test bench. So communicating, ...
- Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:09 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
- Replies: 12
- Views: 45352
Re: ACC2 irrigation panel via a Chipkin/MSA/Fieldserver gateway
So what is chipkin saying on this?
I wouldn't use any fieldserver product anymore even if it was the last thing on the planet. Their junk has wasted countless hours, its blacklisted in my book.
I wouldn't use any fieldserver product anymore even if it was the last thing on the planet. Their junk has wasted countless hours, its blacklisted in my book.
Lab info
Webinars are seem to be a dime a dozen these days. This set was pretty good and see they recorded a prior version of it. Good info for techs getting in to lab work. https://buckleyonline.com/training/session-1-antec-controls-precision-airflow-control-devices/ https://buckleyonline.com/training/sessi...
- Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:52 pm
- Forum: General
- Topic: IP to everything
- Replies: 8
- Views: 25261
Re: IP to everything
I'm still thinking the network components are cheaper due to scaling, certainly availability would be better volume too. ARCnet is probably the worst of all of them in cost and availability. Just a quick peek at that datasheet, the MAC is internal and it has several interface options to the PHY. Yo...
- Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:34 pm
- Forum: General
- Topic: IP to everything
- Replies: 8
- Views: 25261
Re: IP to everything
Well I was in the belly of the beast again this week. Not mentioning the OEM, but its one of the biggies. The initial meet up with their reps and talking general work things, supply chain crap comes up. The head guy says anything IP is a current problem for them. Thinking to myself, yeah whatever. P...
- Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:57 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: IP to everything
- Replies: 8
- Views: 25261
Re: IP to everything
On these small routers I'm dealing with I've noticed that a lot of them skip right over having individual ethernet chips; they go straight to having a network switch on die. And it still needs external magnetics and the RG45 jack(s) at a very minimum external. On BMS modules I haven't looked into i...
- Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:51 pm
- Forum: General
- Topic: IP to everything
- Replies: 8
- Views: 25261
Re: IP to everything
At this point the components for IP are probably cheaper than serial network hardware (production scale) Highly doubt it. ARCnet, duh. 485, not a chance. Keep in mind even if a processor support IP directly it still needs external hardware. I very much prefer the bandwidth and troubleshooting tools...
- Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:24 pm
- Forum: General
- Topic: IP to everything
- Replies: 8
- Views: 25261
Re: IP to everything
Gonna be a real headache with owner supplied network. Been fighting that hassle on a few jobs lately. IT switches are on back order and not coming any time soon, but we need to be ready for Cx long before. Ended up pushing an extra through to pull our own temp network, but its not an all IP system s...
- Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:57 am
- Forum: Events around the world
- Topic: BACnet User Group New England
- Replies: 1
- Views: 25297
Re: BACnet User Group New England
Kinda nuts that was the last meeting. Will have to reach out and see if this is dead or what.
- Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:54 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: Do you really need to change the Device ID?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 17318
Re: Do you really need to change the Device ID?
Do a bit of work for small OEMs and their controls. Would say, it does take a bit of thought and planning to put together a nice package that can get dropped anywhere on the planet and not require a bunch of hassle in the field. Not only day one, but years later when heaven forbid they want to chang...
- Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:03 am
- Forum: Automated Logic
- Topic: End of RMA support for old modules.
- Replies: 5
- Views: 36061
Re: End of RMA support for old modules.
Sold pallets of crap to these third parties joints in the past. Only worth the hassle if its a package deal, aka some of its gold but its all or nothing when it comes to reclaimed garbage. They know whats gold, not us when a site is stripped. If we bothered to bring everything back, I'm not filling ...
- Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:24 am
- Forum: Automated Logic
- Topic: End of RMA support for old modules.
- Replies: 5
- Views: 36061
Re: End of RMA support for old modules.
Sounds pretty good then. Most OEMs don't bother with repair period.
I'm sure the third party folks will jump on it after ALC calls it quits. At that point, one is really stretching things to infinity.
I'm sure the third party folks will jump on it after ALC calls it quits. At that point, one is really stretching things to infinity.
- Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:00 am
- Forum: Automated Logic
- Topic: End of RMA support for old modules.
- Replies: 5
- Views: 36061
Re: End of RMA support for old modules.
How is their repair service in general? Reasonable cost, turn around and fix most what's tossed at them?
- Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:32 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: New to the site
- Replies: 17
- Views: 50780
Re: New to the site
Doesn't add up to me. If that was the case, why bother during a low traffic time slot. Running in AWS as well.
It's a big site though and its not free to mitigate nonsense when it comes along.
- Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:55 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: COINE version 2 super secure network
- Replies: 10
- Views: 33359
Re: COINE version 2 super secure network
Sounds like the smart solution to me. Nothing wrong with isolating and protecting the older stuff. It’s just interesting they are ignoring older, sometimes current, systems capabilities with some of these requirements. Can't say their choice didn't make sense. But when top command say thou shall do...
- Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:18 am
- Forum: Automated Logic
- Topic: Linux server
- Replies: 3
- Views: 18558
- Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:07 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: COINE version 2 super secure network
- Replies: 10
- Views: 33359
Re: COINE version 2 super secure network
A year or two ago I had an RFP for modernization of a large VA hospital. It was very clear they wanted all Jaces and supervisors brought up to the latest supported version of Niagara. All the field devices where crap from the 90s with AX Jaces and a proprietary driver that was not supported in N4. W...
- Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:04 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: New to the site
- Replies: 17
- Views: 50780
Re: New to the site
Its been down quite a bit between 5-6am EST lately. Been down this morning for at least an hour.
- Mon May 31, 2021 2:13 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
- Sat May 29, 2021 2:45 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Both FG & FS the serial console is 3.3v @ 115,200 baud. FG the pinout is clearly marked in the solder mask. Its the same on the FS. FG-32 FG Serial Console.jpg FS-32 FS Serial Console.jpg These seem to drop you into a shell on the main CPU. There is a second CPU handling I/O on both, doesn't app...
- Fri May 28, 2021 8:38 pm
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
older FG not the FS
- Fri May 28, 2021 8:18 pm
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Didn't seem to be the case for the unit I had. For starters the serial console port drops you right into a shell with root access. No logon required. Would have to look at my notes, but pretty sure telnet was using one of the default creds.
- Thu May 27, 2021 12:47 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
If the hardware build is subpar, wouldn't expect the software side to be much better. There was an option on the FS after the firmware update to change the "OS password" which I would assume changes the root account. FG had telnet running, not sure if the FS does. Haven't had the time to p...
- Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
This seems to be the super cap on the FS32. HCAP-D 5R5 255-F.pdf Not a great choice for your typical hot BMS locations. Down south, even northern installed in a typical RTU electrical cabinet or steam plant? Huston we have a problem... Molded plastic enclosure, epoxy to seal the bottom, maybe better...
- Sun May 09, 2021 11:41 pm
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Only thing that jumps out to me is inux-3.4.39 is about 2013 vintage, Very old. This page suggests there might be 269 CVSS on it but I can't get it to display. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=33&product_id=47&version_id=160797&page=2&hasexp=0&opdos=0&...
- Fri May 07, 2021 12:44 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Scored a FS-32 for a tear down. Looks to be a NIB unit from 2017. Uses pretty much the same HCCCap supercaps. The bigger has molded plastic outer covering now. It may contain its blood better when it fails. The smaller one looks identical. Will dig up the datasheets and post. The location of the big...
- Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:54 pm
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Two years? That's just garbage.
About to pull the trigger on a FS-32. Kinda a pricey for just a tear down though.
About to pull the trigger on a FS-32. Kinda a pricey for just a tear down though.
- Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:22 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: COINE version 2 super secure network
- Replies: 10
- Views: 33359
Re: COINE version 2 super secure network
Also would look into DFARS. Timeline on that pushing forward and solarwinds is interesting. Somethings change, others seem to find ways to ignore.
- Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:52 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: New to the site
- Replies: 17
- Views: 50780
Re: New to the site
To add to this, I'm simply not going to post any content I spend a fair bit of time and money there first if ever going forward. Still like the site and will check in on it if its still around. If its something I put a deal of effort in, it won't be there anymore.
- Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:16 am
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: COINE version 2 super secure network
- Replies: 10
- Views: 33359
Re: COINE version 2 super secure network
Seen it and in most cases it seems very fragile imo.
Solarwinds seems to be pushing a few things forward.
Solarwinds seems to be pushing a few things forward.
- Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:34 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
Re: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
My two pennies.. This is not the first they have heard of it regardless what they say. This kind of damage takes time typically and is not a old unit by BMS terms. Installed in a hot location brings this up much quicker with crap parts. Good spec stuff might last decades in the same conditions. I'm ...
- Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:58 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 99430
EasyIO or EasyI…uh Oh?
Part 1 – First sniff After hearing about inputs failing on the EasyIO FG-32 as a common fault, I decided to take a peek for myself. Thanks to a member in the community, I secured a used unit with several bad inputs for a reasonable price. Got the unit a week later and cracking it open, the first fau...
- Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:21 pm
- Forum: General
- Topic: New to the site
- Replies: 17
- Views: 50780
Re: New to the site
Lol, not a whole lot at the moment. Would put it in the still working off the ground, but time and motivation are scare resources. If it starts to take off I'm sure we will find more time. Last time H went down a few of us decided maybe it was time to build something else that's not ran by a bunch o...
- Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:50 pm
- Forum: For Shame
- Topic: COINE version 2 super secure network
- Replies: 10
- Views: 33359
Re: COINE version 2 super secure network
Yea, not getting windows updates these days seems like an extremely poor idea. Contractors are certainly getting files on the machines somehow. Just one thing slips through the whole thing could fall over. Will say that MS hasn't made it easy to get offline machines updated either. Been wrangling th...
- Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:12 am
- Forum: Events around the world
- Topic: BACnet User Group New England
- Replies: 1
- Views: 25297
- Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:59 pm
- Forum: News
- Topic: CISA Cybersecurity Advisory
- Replies: 0
- Views: 35503
CISA Cybersecurity Advisory
Fun read. https://media.defense.gov/2020/Jul/23/2002462846/-1/-1/1/OT_ADVISORY-DUAL-OFFICIAL-20200722.PDF The ICS folks for months have been going on and on and on about non-network attacks on actual sensors. Can't get any real detail on this of course but it sure seem interesting. How does one exac...
- Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:51 am
- Forum: News
- Topic: Niagara 4.9 is now released!
- Replies: 2
- Views: 16169
Re: Niagara 4.9 is now released!
Self signed basically says it came from such and such and the file isn't corrupted. Indeed. The question is that selfie cert also vaild for niagara, https, etc connections as well. One would like to think its limited to just code signing and not anything else. If folks are using that same cert for ...
- Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:03 pm
- Forum: News
- Topic: Niagara 4.9 is now released!
- Replies: 2
- Views: 16169
Niagara 4.9 is now released!
Next version of Niagara is out. Just on the surface there doesn't seem to be anything too exciting. Getting video to work again, that sure took long enough. In Niagara 4.9, all modules must be signed by valid, trusted certificate (may be self-signed). Is it me or does "trusted certificate"...
- Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:31 pm
- Forum: News
- Topic: Ripple20 crap show
- Replies: 3
- Views: 17712
Re: Ripple20 crap show
Far as intel goes I was recently shocked when I learned you could not only not get an intel branded motherboard any more but they also recently dropped all support for the ones they made in the past. Seems to be an apple move, they are cutting off edge products and focusing on core business. This w...
- Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:13 am
- Forum: General
- Topic: vBulletin CVE
- Replies: 3
- Views: 17117
Re: vBulletin CVE
With the amount of traffic they get, I would suspect the plumbing has a few different turns before it hits vB.